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SAFE HARBOR STATEMENT UNDER THE PRIVATE SECURITIES LITIGATION REFORM ACT OF 1995
This transcript contains certain forward-looking information about WellPoint, Inc. (WellPoint), WellChoice, Inc. (WellChoice) and the combined company after completion of the transactions that are intended to be covered by the safe harbor for forward-looking statements provided by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are statements that are not historical facts. Words such as expect(s), feel(s), believe(s), will, may, anticipate(s) and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These statements include, but are not limited to, financial projections and estimates and their underlying assumptions; statements regarding plans, objectives and expectations with respect to future operations, products and services; and statements regarding future performance. Such statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond the control of WellPoint and WellChoice, that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in, or implied or projected by, the forward-looking information and statements. These risks and uncertainties include: those discussed and identified in public filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) made by WellPoint (formerly Anthem, Inc.), WellPoint Health Networks Inc. (WellPoint Health) and WellChoice; trends in health care costs and utilization rates; our ability to secure sufficient premium rate increases; competitor pricing below market trends of increasing costs; increased government regulation of health benefits and managed care; significant acquisitions or divestitures by major competitors; introduction and utilization of new prescription drugs and technology; a downgrade in our financial strength ratings; litigation targeted at health benefits companies; our ability to contract with providers consistent with past practice; other potential uses of cash in the future that present attractive alternatives to share repurchases; our ability to achieve expected synergies and operating efficiencies in the WellPoint Health merger within the expected time-frames or at all and to successfully integrate our operations; such integration may be more difficult, time-consuming or costly than expected; revenues following the transaction may be lower than expected; operating costs, customer loss and business disruption, including, without limitation, difficulties in maintaining relationships with employees, customers, clients or suppliers, may be greater than expected following the transaction; our ability to consummate WellPoints merger with WellChoice, to achieve expected synergies and operating efficiencies in the merger within the expected time-frames or at all; to meet expectations regarding repurchases of shares of our common stock and to successfully integrate our operations; such integration may be more difficult, time-consuming or costly than expected; revenues following the transaction may be lower than expected; operating costs, customer loss and business disruption, including, without limitation, difficulties in maintaining relationships with employees, customers, clients or suppliers, may be greater than expected following the transaction; the regulatory approvals required for the transaction may not be obtained on the terms expected or on the anticipated schedule; our ability to meet expectations regarding the timing, completion and accounting and tax treatments of the transaction and the value of the transaction consideration; future bio-terrorist activity or other potential public health epidemics; and general economic downturns. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements that speak only as of the date hereof. Neither WellPoint nor WellChoice undertakes any obligation to republish revised forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events. Readers are also urged to carefully review and consider the various disclosures in WellPoints and WellChoices various SEC reports, including but not limited to Annual Reports on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2004 and Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q for the reporting periods of 2005.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND WHERE TO FIND IT
This communication is being made in respect of the proposed merger transaction involving WellPoint and WellChoice. In connection with the proposed transaction, WellPoint and WellChoice will prepare a registration statement on Form S-4, containing a proxy statement/prospectus for the stockholders of WellChoice to be filed with the SEC and each will be filing other documents regarding the proposed transaction with the SEC as well. BEFORE MAKING ANY VOTING OR INVESTMENT DECISION, INVESTORS ARE URGED TO READ THE PROXY STATEMENT/PROSPECTUS REGARDING THE PROPOSED TRANSACTION AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT DOCUMENTS CAREFULLY IN THEIR ENTIRETY WHEN THEY BECOME AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY WILL CONTAIN IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPOSED TRANSACTION. The final proxy statement/prospectus will be mailed to WellChoices stockholders. Investors and security holders will be able to receive the registration statement containing the proxy statement/prospectus and other documents free of charge at the SECs web site, www.sec.gov, from WellPoint Investor Relations at 120 Monument Circle, Indianapolis, Indiana 46204, or from WellChoice Investor Relations at 11 West 42nd Street, New York, New York 10036.
PARTICIPANTS IN SOLICITATION
WellPoint, WellChoice and their directors and executive officers and other members of management and employees may be deemed to be participants in the solicitation of proxies in respect of the proposed transaction. Information regarding WellPoints directors and executive officers is available in WellPoints proxy statement for its 2005 annual meeting of shareholders, which was filed with the SEC on April 8, 2005, and information regarding WellChoices directors and executive officers is available in WellChoices proxy statement for its 2005 annual meeting of stockholders, which was filed with SEC on March 28, 2005. Information regarding the persons who may, under the rules of the SEC, be considered participants in the solicitation of WellChoice stockholders in connection with the proposed transaction will be set forth in the proxy statement/prospectus when it is filed with the SEC.
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CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Tami Durle
WellPoint - VP of IR
Larry Glasscock
WellPoint - President & CEO
Mike Stocker
WellChoice - President & CEO
Dave Colby
WellPoint - CFO & EVP
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Josh Raskin
Lehman Brothers - Analyst
Scott Fidel
JP Morgan - Analyst
John Rex
Bear Stearns - Analyst
Charles Boorady
Citigroup - Analyst
Matthew Borsch
Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Patrick Hojlo
Credit Suisse First Boston - Analyst
Michael Baker
Raymond James - Analyst
Peter Costa
FTN Midwest Securities - Analyst
Matthew Daley
Analyst
David Woodyatt
Harris Bank - Analyst
Henry Cosilia
A-Line Associates (ph) - Analyst
John Chen
Cafe Financial - Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good day, everyone, and welcome to this WellPoint and WellChoices conference call. Todays call is being recorded. Now I would like to turn the call over to WellPoint management. Please go ahead.
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Tami Durle - WellPoint - VP of IR
Good morning and thank you for joining us on short notice this morning. This is Tami Durle, Vice President of Investor Relations for WellPoint. On behalf of Deborah Bohren, my counterpart at WellChoice, were delighted to introduce Larry Glasscock, WellPoints Chief Executive Officer, Mike Stocker, WellChoices Chief Executive Officer, David Colby, WellPoints Chief Financial Officer, and John Remshard, WellChoices CFO. We also have our respective general counsels on the line, Angela Braly and Linda Tiano, to answer any transaction-related questions you may have.
As you are now aware, were here this morning to discuss the details of our announced affiliation with WellChoice and to hold a question-and-answer session after opening comments.
Both WellPoint and WellChoice will be making some forward-looking statements on this mornings call. Listeners are cautioned that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, many of which are difficult to predict and generally beyond the control of WellPoint and WellChoice. These risks and uncertainties can cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. We advise listeners to review the risk factors discussed in our press release issued this morning and in our respective 2004 10-Ks and other periodic filings with the SEC.
In connection with the merger, WellPoint and WellChoice expect that a registration statement, which will include a proxy statement/prospectus, will be filed with the SEC. We urge listeners to review the registration statement if and when it becomes available, because it will contain important information about the merger. Information regarding the persons who may, under rules of the SEC, be considered participants in the solicitation will be set forth in the proxy statement/prospectus when it is filed with the SEC. You can obtain free of charge documents filed with the SEC by WellPoint or WellChoice by visiting the SECs Web site at SEC.gov or by contacting the Investor Relations Department of WellPoint or WellChoice.
Larry, I will turn it over to you now.
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Thank you, Tami, and good morning to everyone on the line. I am truly thrilled to visit with you, and I am very pleased to be sharing our discussion today with my colleague, Mike Stocker. I think youll agree that we have some very, very exciting news to share with you.
You, no doubt, know by now that WellPoint and WellChoice have entered into a definitive merger agreement. This merger brings together two leading health benefits companies with very similar cultures and philosophies, both dedicated to excellence, both focused on our customers and on maximizing shareholder value. We see a very compelling strategic fit and see our combined companies strongly positioned to compete in the marketplace. We also believe that it is very important for our entire enterprise that the nations leading health benefits company have a presence right here in the nations leading financial center. We will elaborate more on these and other benefits in just a few moments.
Now for just a couple of the broad details about our transaction under the agreement, WellPoint will acquire all of the outstanding shares of WellChoice for $38.25 in cash and 0.5191 share of WellPoint common stock per WellChoice share. This equates to a value of approximately $6.5 billion. The combined company will operate as a Blue Cross or Blue Cross Blue Shield licensee in 14 states and serve more than $33 million medical members.
I am very pleased to say that Mike Stocker will be President and CEO of WellPoints Northeast region, which will serve more than 7 million members in New York, Connecticut, New Hampshire and Maine. And the headquarters for the newly combined region will be right here in lower Manhattan, New York City. We will also add one member of WellChoices Board of Directors to the existing WellPoint board.
The transaction has been approved by both WellPoint and WellChoices Boards and will now require approval from WellChoices stockholders. The New York Public Asset Fund, which owns about 62% of WellChoices stock, has already signed a voting agreement committing it to vote for the merger. Additionally, the health insurance regulators for the state of New York and New Jersey will need to approve the transaction. Filings will also be required to be made with the SEC, and other approvals will be required from the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association and the federal antitrust agencies under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act. We anticipate that we should be able to complete the transaction during the first quarter of 2006.
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I would now like to share with you more about the rationale behind this transaction as well as the many benefits that we see growing from this very important combination. From WellPoints perspective, an affiliation with WellChoice provides us with a more distinctive profile in the Northeast with significant growth opportunities in every business segment, including further penetration of our Specialty products. More specifically, the combination will further strengthen WellPoints leadership in providing health benefits to National Accounts, that is, large employers with multi-state operations. The New York City area is the headquarters of more Fortune 500 companies than any other U.S. city, and this merger will give WellPoint a strategic presence in this very important market.
Theres an opportunity for WellChoice to significantly increase its penetration into this business segment, and we see an opportunity to expand it over time as we continue to demonstrate the seamless services we can provide these very important customers.
Our discussions have also identified opportunities to extend WellPoints expertise to the senior and middle markets, as well as expand sales in our specialty businesses. The merger will also enhance the combined companies ability to offer consumer directed health solutions, which are a growing choice of consumers and employers alike. Almost three-quarters of our 2006 national account RFPs have asked about our consumer-directed capabilities.
Earlier this year, you may remember, WellPoint acquired Lumenos, a pioneer and leader in consumer-directed health solutions. And WellChoice has incorporated Lumenos technology into its Empire Total Blue consumer-directed product. This recent acquisition of Lumenos, combined with WellChoices successful deployment of Lumenos features in its Empire Total Blue product, will allow us to immediately offer Lumenos total product line to new and existing national accounts headquartered in WellChoices service area.
Additionally, we believe there is much to be gained by combining the strength of both of our organizations to create operating synergies and to further enhance efficiencies. We are committed to capturing at least $25 million of pre-tax synergies in 2006, $50 million in 2007, and with at least $125 million fully realized synergies annually by 2010. The progression of savings is a bit more back-ended than some of our other prior affiliations, due to the existence of some longer-term contracts.
We will also capitalize upon WellChoices excellent performance record and very well-respected management team to ensure that we seek and execute on all the opportunities available to adopt best practices across our entire enterprise. Importantly, we anticipate a smooth transition because we are two companies, as I said, with very similar cultures and business approaches. We both place our customers first and place high priority on meeting distinctive service standards. We believe that our customers will benefit greatly from this transaction and from the continuity of a strong Blue Cross and Blue Shield organization with the added value of a locally managed national company.
We are ten months into our Anthem/WellPoint integration, and much of the heavy lifting there has already been completed, so we remain confident that our management teams are well prepared to execute on our new integration plans with WellChoice.
Also as a reminder, the Northeast region was not significantly impacted by the 2005 merger activities because no additional geographies were added to the Northeast region as a result of that combination. Furthermore, we do not anticipate the need to convert WellChoices claims systems to a new platform due to our use of middleware technology, thereby further reducing the risks of integration.
I am now very pleased to turn to my friend and colleague, Mike Stocker, for his comments. Mike?
Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
Thanks, Larry. Needless to say, I am very excited about this transaction. Let me preview my comments with a brief overview of WellChoice. We have the exclusive right to use the Blue Cross and Blue Shield names and marks in 10 downstate New York counties and one or both of these names and marks in selected counties in upstate New York. We have more than 5 million members and are the market leader in our service area. We offer our customers the broadest provider network in these markets, a wide spectrum of product offerings and what we believe is the best service of any health plan in our service area.
Our 2004 operating revenue was nearly $6 billion, and our net income was about $240 million. We have an experienced management team with a track record of consistently achieving our goals for operational excellence. Above all, we very much share WellPoints dedication to providing quality products and services to our customers while also maintaining a strong commitment to our community.
The two companies together will be ideally positioned to promote preventive health care, engage consumers in maintaining their own good health and to make the investments necessary to lead positive change in the countrys health-care system. Additionally, it offers an opportunity for growth, collaboration and extends the value of our Blue Cross and Blue Shield heritage. As such, we believe it is good for our stockholders, for New York City and the state, and for our own employees at WellChoice.
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We believe that the merger is particularly good news for the more than 5 million consumers served by Empire Blue Cross and Blue Shield and other WellChoice health plans. They will benefit from the resources of the nations leading health benefits company, resources that will make it possible to achieve some very important benefits for consumers. They are: to help reduce costs and hold down the rising costs of health insurance; to enhance efforts to improve the quality and safety of health care through collaboration with physicians and hospitals, including access to WellPoints integrated disease and case management capabilities; and to leverage the investment that WellPoint dedicates to innovative product development activity so we can introduce new products that give consumers greater choices and options to meet their changing needs. Furthermore, operating within a larger organization will provide additional avenues for career advancement for our valued employees.
Finally, we have observed WellPoints track record of integrating other Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans, and they have consistently delivered on their promise to all stakeholders involved. They have remained customer focused, witnessed no service disruptions due to merger activities, have met their targets for merger synergies, significantly reduced administrative costs as a percent of revenues and have provided new products, services and technologies to the market. This gives us additional confidence that we have chosen the right partner to plan our future with.
Back to you, Larry.
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Mike, thanks very much, and before I turn the call over for Q&A, I want to touch just briefly on the financing plan for this merger. About $3.2 billion of cash is needed to fund the transaction. What we plan to do is utilize $500 million in cash at the parent company and to access a $3 billion bridge facility. Our intention is to replace the bridge with an estimated $2.7 billion in permanent financing, which we believe can be obtained on very attractive terms.
With that information in mind, we expect this basic transaction to be neutral to earnings in 2006 and accretive thereafter. Now, simultaneous with the merger, WellPoint will increase its share buyback authorization to $1 billion due to the available cash at WellChoice. WellPoint expects to complete this buyback during 2006, which should make the entire transaction slightly accretive. If anyone has questions regarding the financial aspects of the transaction, Dave Colby is available to take those with me.
And finally, we are committed to integrating our organizations quickly and also very thoughtfully. Ive appointed Alice Rosenblatt to lead integration efforts from WellPoint, and Mike will appoint a designated executive from our new Northeast region. Our experienced leadership gives us further confidence in our ability to continue generating at least 15% earnings per share growth for our shareholders.
So with that, let me turn it over for questions and then well close.
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(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS). Josh Raskin at Lehman Brothers.
Josh Raskin - Lehman Brothers - Analyst
Just one clarification and then one question. I think you had mentioned that there would be no systems conversions for WellChoice. I just wanted to make sure I heard that right or that was just simply around the claim systems.
And then just a second question around some of the longer-term synergies. It sounds like not huge expectations for 06 but some in 07 and I guess through 2010. Is that external vendors from WellChoice, or just what are some of the reasons? Are those longer-term contracts that are going to take time to get out of? That would be helpful. Thanks.
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Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Sure. In terms of the systems remarks that I made in my remarks earlier, thats absolutely correct. We dont anticipate systems conversions of any magnitude from this affiliation.
In terms of the synergies, what we are saying to you is that we would have $25 million in synergies in 2006. That would increase to $50 million in 07 and then go up by an additional $25 million per year so that we achieve the full synergies of this, of $125 million, in 2010.
Again, the reason for some of those synergies coming later has to do with some of the specialty contracts which have existing contractual arrangements some three years in duration.
Josh Raskin - Lehman Brothers - Analyst
And could you just run through what some of those areas would be, Larry?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Well, the PBM contract with an outside firm has a three-year term. The dental contract has a three-year term and the behavioral health contract has either a two or three-year term.
Operator
Scott Fidel at JP Morgan.
Scott Fidel - JP Morgan - Analyst
My question had to do with, if you could talk about the strategy in the small group market. WellChoice recently has been expanding the products there. And if you can talk about your thoughts around the opportunities on the small group side?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Well, it represents about 10% of WellChoices enrollment. They do a great job in that area. What were counting on is basically bringing together the best practices across the entire enterprise, and our experience has been when we do that, that we are able to increase the small group membership across our system. So weve done some interesting things in the area of product development, and so I think we will let that unfold over the next few months.
One of the things that is important about this is that you may recall in some of our past calls weve mentioned our Centers of Business Excellence. So we are organized, obviously, by region and, within region, by segment. But overlaying that is this concept of Centers of Business Excellence. So that allows us, for example, for each market segment, to have a more formalized process to share best practices and get those implemented. And we have such a CBE for the middle market.
Scott Fidel - JP Morgan - Analyst
And also do you just have an estimate of what WellChoices penetration is right now into the national accounts market in New York?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Quite significant. Again, its a great marketplace here. Weve got about 86 Fortune 500 companies that are represented in WellChoices service area, and they do business with an awful lot of them.
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John Rex at Bear Stearns.
John Rex - Bear Stearns - Analyst
Thank you. Historically, WellPoint has spoken to a 15% cash-on-cash return hurdle. And I wonder if you can just take us through the math for how, and I guess, actually more importantly, when you would expect to get to that hurdle. It seems like its pushed out a bit further than usual in terms of getting to that kind of hurdle.
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Yes, only a bit, and Ill let Dave Colby share the calculation with you.
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
I think what youll see is we expect to get close to it by the second year. The first year does fall below the 15%. How I get there is you look at a total purchase price of about $6.5 billion, but we do expect that at closing it will be pretty close to $1 billion of free cash at the parent. So the actual net cost is about $5.5 billion that were paying.
If you look at the companys net income on pre-tax basis, because our 15% return is a pre-tax return, youll see its in the $460 million to $465 million range for 2005. If you add back depreciation and amortization, which is around $40 million, and take away capital expenditures of about 25 million, youll get pretty close to about $480 million of cash flow in 2005. Expected growth going from 2005 to 2006 is slightly in excess of 15%, and if you do that youll get a little bit north of $550 million of that cash flow in 2006, which with synergies of $25 million, gets you over 11% return just in 2006. With another 15% growth on top of that in synergies increasing from $25 to $50 million, youll get to a pretax cash flow of almost $685 million, which gets you to the 15% return. So we think we can get there in about a two-year period of time.
And as Larry said, the upside, we think, is we feel very comfortable with $125 million of synergies. We will get those synergies as we are able to use our specialty products and capture that profit in-house. Its just that you just have to wait.
John Rex - Bear Stearns - Analyst
Why cant you get on the PBM contract, its just too expensive to cancel it early, so it just doesnt make sense?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Our current plan is to let that contract run its course.
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Charles Boorady at Citigroup.
Charles Boorady - Citigroup - Analyst
In terms of the negotiations with New York State regarding the PBM contract that WellChoice won for next year that they were collaborating, if thats the right word, with Caremark for, I was curious where those negotiations stand and whether there was an opportunity for WellPoint to replace Caremark in those discussions for that new contract.
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Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
We have no plans to replace Caremark on that contract, and I would let Mike I think it has obviously been announced. The contract is in the process of being negotiated, so I would anticipate that certainly going forward.
Mike Stocker WellChoice President & CEO
Were actually into the implementation phase on the contract. It has been announced. We dont have any plans to change that; its a January effective date, and its a big account. And so were in the process of implementing it now.
John Rex - Bear Stearns - Analyst
And what is the duration on that contract with New York state? When is the earliest it would be up for renewal?
Mike Stocker WellChoice President & CEO
That is a three-year agreement.
John Rex - Bear Stearns - Analyst
Got you. When you mentioned the 15% EPS growth target, Larry, is that pre any M&A? Or would that include any potential synergy from the combination with Anthem/WellPoint and now the combination of WellChoice?
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
What we have said is that we will get 15% growth without having to do M&A to fill it in. I think as Larry said, this transaction, when you couple the transaction itself with using the excess cash thats at WellChoice to do a stock buyback over the first year, is accretive. Well say slightly accretive, were in the $0.03 range, and obviously, that is in excess of our 15% targeted rate.
John Rex - Bear Stearns - Analyst
And that includes the synergy. What was cost synergy versus revenue, and of the cost synergy, what is admin versus medical?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Yes. Again, on the synergies, about 80% will be cost-based synergies. Again, a lot of the revenue synergies are not only new medical members but also specialty business and specialty revenue. And because of some of those long-term nature of the contracts, we think, again, early on here, about 80% of the synergies will be cost related.
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
And I should point out the other 20% that is revenue related, we feel pretty comfortable about because its primarily in investment income. Because, as many of you are aware, the excess cash being held today by WellChoice thats in their earnings is at a relatively low rate because of the potential liquidity that they wanted for, potentially, uses of that cash. As part of the combined entity, obviously, that becomes more long-term nature, and increases the investment income.
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Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Im sorry, Dave. I talked over you there. The investment income on the synergies if you look at it as a pie of 100%, we think the investment synergies will be perhaps 20% of that, and then in corporate and shared services, approximately 50%; and then specialty, which will be important, obviously, is 30%.
John Rex - Bear Stearns - Analyst
All right. It sounds like the New York public asset fund will be receiving some WellPoint shares in exchange for the WellChoice shares. Is there going to be a schedule by which they would have to sell that down to satisfy Blue requirements or ?
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
They will be around a 4% shareholder, and so they will have no restrictions; they will do with it as they see fit.
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Matthew Borsch at Goldman Sachs.
Matthew Borsch - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Just on the financial assumptions here, I know that you covered this. But what are you assuming in terms of the intangible amortization expense with this transaction?
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
We would anticipate at this current price that the annual incremental amortization of identifiable intangible assets would be right around $90 million.
Matthew Borsch - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Ninety million a year?
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
Per year.
Matthew Borsch - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Okay. And on a separate topic, could you characterize the kind of overlap that you think you will have with tri-state employers and where that may present an opportunity for the two companies together between Connecticut and New York?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Mike, do you want to ?
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Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
Id be happy to talk about that. If you work in this marketplace, you realize that theres a huge amount of overlap between Connecticut and New York. So we will then be able to integrate both companies and provide seamless service in that marketplace. A very large number of people who work in New York live in Connecticut, and this makes it much easier to provide them health insurance services.
Matthew Borsch - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
And just a last question on that, can you quantify the BlueCard host member overlap between the two companies?
Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
Yes. Its roughly 400,000 to 420,000 members.
Matthew Borsch - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Thats the number that are counted on WellPoints enrollment count from that are in WellChoices services territory?
Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
That is correct.
Operator
Patrick Hojlo at Credit Suisse First Boston.
Patrick Hojlo - Credit Suisse First Boston - Analyst
You mentioned I think it was Dr. Stocker the potential for different or somewhat, I guess, stepped-up approach to senior market. Can you talk about that in a little more detail?
Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
Sure. We think the senior market is going to be very attractive, and we are participating in the Medicare PPO, the Medicare HMO and the Part D program. And we have announced previously that we are below the average bidder in the area, in our service area, among the bidders.
Thats a market that lends itself well to intense management of the care and a close relationship with the seniors who are members. The fact is that this merger will help us substantially with that by adding resources to that activity. Were excited about the marketplace, and scale is important in terms of establishing relationships with seniors. So we think it will add to our ability to serve that marketplace in our service area.
Patrick Hojlo - Credit Suisse First Boston - Analyst
Great. Can you talk, Dr. Stocker, about whether you considered any recent acquisitions of your own?
Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
We always are considering acquisitions or M&A transactions, and we have referred to that in the past many times as we talked about that. Basically, we and the Board look really hard at what is the most important thing we can do for our shareholders in terms of value. And we have done that in the past; as you know, we made an effort to acquire Oxford in the past, and the decision here is based on what we think is the best value for the shareholders.
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Patrick Hojlo - Credit Suisse First Boston - Analyst
One last quick question, can you talk about senior managements employment agreements at WellChoice?
Mike Stocker - WellChoice - President & CEO
You faded out there at the end.
Patrick Hojlo - Credit Suisse First Boston - Analyst
Sorry about that. Just any employment agreements post the merger with the WellChoice folks. Can you speak about those?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
We have executed with Dr. Stocker a letter of understanding on his continued employment. We are extremely impressed with the senior management team at WellChoice, and Mike and I will be working very closely in the next few weeks to make sure that all of the team is focused on what we want them to do in the future.
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS). Michael Baker at Raymond James.
Michael Baker - Raymond James - Analyst
My question was answered; thank you.
Operator
Peter Costa.
Peter Costa - FTN Midwest Securities - Analyst
Just a quick question on any collars or breakup fees or other share price adjustments as the stocks move around? And then any one-time charges you expect?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
There is no collar. There is a breakup fee, and that fee is about 3.5%. And then the third part of the question? Im sorry.
Peter Costa - FTN Midwest Securities - Analyst
Any one-time merger fees or anything like that?
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Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
And we expect about a $15 million of day-one cost to make sure that we get this launched properly.
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
I will point out that thats included in the guidance and accretion that we talked about, not incremental.
I think I also want to just go back and clarify one answer. It is true that in terms of BlueCard host that theres about 420,000 members that are sort of interrelated or in the WellChoice service area. The issue is WellChoice does not count host members, so in terms of when we report membership, if you just add the two companies up, it would be about a 100,000 member reduction, because, while we take away 420,000, well be adding a little bit over 300,000. So nobody should just take the two membership numbers and just subtract 420,000.
Operator
Matthew Daley (ph), (multiple speakers) Asset Management.
Matthew Daley Analyst
I was wondering if you reviewed this transaction with the rating agencies and where you would eventually like your credit ratings to be, if you target any credit ratings? Thank you.
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
Yes, we have had conversations and meetings, and they have been involved during the period of this discussion. Im not going to speak for the rating agencies. I think they will come out with their own analysis, but I do not anticipate any significant changes by the rating agencies. And as we have said, our goal is to maintain or even potentially enhance our credit rating. We are BBB+ and I think that we need to at least stay at that level.
Operator
David Woodyatt at Harris Bank.
David Woodyatt - Harris Bank - Analyst
The $90 million a year you mentioned earlier in amortization of intangibles are you including that as an expense or excluding it in your forward earnings comments?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Were assuming that is in expense; thats a GAAP expense. So that is taken out of earnings and is incorporated into our guidance.
David Woodyatt - Harris Bank - Analyst
Thank you very much. I know thats been your past policy.
Operator
Henry Cosilia (ph) at A-Line Associates (ph).
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Henry Cosilia - A-Line Associates (ph) - Analyst
Thank you. My question has been answered already.
Operator
John Chen (ph) at Cafe Financial.
John Chen - Cafe Financial - Analyst
I was calling to find out what kind of regulatory approvals does the deal require before closing.
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Okay. We will need regulatory approvals here in New York, and since WellChoice has a subsidiary in New Jersey, well also need an approval in New Jersey from the regulators.
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS). Matthew Borsch at Goldman Sachs.
Matthew Borsch - Goldman Sachs - Analyst
I just wanted to ask, on the assumption of accretion for 07, are you assuming a 15% organic earnings growth rate on the WellChoice business?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
I think our assumption is a slightly greater than 15% growth rate but not materially greater. And this would incorporate the expected earnings from the PBM contract and recent news there.
Operator
Josh Raskin at Lehman Brothers.
Josh Raskin - Lehman Brothers - Analyst
Just one question on the timing. I was wondering if you could give us a little bit of background. I know well see that at some point in the filing, but I was wondering if you guys wanted to comment a little bit on the background and if there was any sort of catalyst or specific reason the transaction was occurring at this point?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
No. I cant say that theres any specific catalyst other than Mike and I and our boards were able to get together, and this seemed like a great opportunity to put these two companies together.
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Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
And certainly our integration going well after our first two quarters made it something that we were comfortable with.
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
And youll see the definitive agreement, and youll see that we are optimistic that we can move forward quickly on the regulatory front and hopefully get this approved as quickly as possible.
Josh Raskin - Lehman Brothers - Analyst
Do you guys have an expectation in terms of timing in the merger proxy?
Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
I cant give you that timing right now.
Operator
Charles Boorady at Citigroup.
Charles Boorady - Citigroup - Analyst
I just wanted to follow up on the amortization of intangibles. The 90 million was that for three quarters of 06, or is that a full-year amount? And is any of that tax-deductible?
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
That is a full-year amount, and all the numbers that we have given you assumes a January 1st close as if we have it, which I think is possible. But again, it depends on how fast we can get going. And from a GAAP point of view, as you are aware, when you book the opening balance sheet, it is tax-deductible, whether it actually is or it actually winds up in deferred taxes, if you go back to your FAS on deferred taxes. But, from a modeling point of view, it is tax-deductible.
Charles Boorady - Citigroup - Analyst
And the $90 million was pre-tax, though?
Dave Colby - WellPoint - CFO & EVP
And the $90 million was a pretax number.
Operator
And, having no other questions in queue at this time, I would like to turn the conference back to Mr. Larry Glasscock for closing remarks.
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Larry Glasscock - WellPoint - President & CEO
Thank you. Again, Mike and I want to reiterate with all of you how enthusiastic and truly optimistic we are about the combination of our two companies. We really believe that, together, our competitive position in the industry is strengthened and that our opportunities for both revenue and earnings growth have been expanded. We will benefit from the strategic fit and the significantly strengthened presence here in our Northeast region. And furthermore, we expect to obtain operational synergies that will help keep health insurance affordable.
And finally, by executing on all of our initiatives, we believe it is going to position us extremely well to create additional shareholder value for the future. So again, thank you very much for being part of the call this morning, and Mike and I hope you have a great day.
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